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		<title>By: Espen Koht</title>
		<link>http://www.edbott.com/weblog/?p=431&#038;cpage=1#comment-737</link>
		<dc:creator>Espen Koht</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 17:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;And if you’re going to quote a post from Scoble’s blog, why not actually, you know, talk to Scoble, who actually publishes his cell phone number right there on his highly trafficked site?&#8221;</p>
<p>Scoble turned down their request for an interview. Presumably you could have found this out by asking him, before making this unsubstantiated claim. <a href="http://radio.weblogs.com/0001011/2005/02/02.html#a9314" rel="nofollow">Scoble</a></p>
<p>&#8220;Sloppy, sloppy, sloppy.&#8221;</p>
<p>We can&#8217;t argue with that.</p>
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		<title>By: Cliff</title>
		<link>http://www.edbott.com/weblog/?p=431&#038;cpage=1#comment-738</link>
		<dc:creator>Cliff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 17:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s nothing inherently wrong with a single high level source, if you verify that the person is who they claim (presumably done here and you have no contrary evidence).  Major publications frequently quote single, high-level sources.  It&#039;s pretty big news that iPod usage has gotten to the point where MS management have had to issue memos about it - and the source described and/or provided email evidence of such memos.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s nothing inherently wrong with a single high level source, if you verify that the person is who they claim (presumably done here and you have no contrary evidence).  Major publications frequently quote single, high-level sources.  It&#8217;s pretty big news that iPod usage has gotten to the point where MS management have had to issue memos about it &#8211; and the source described and/or provided email evidence of such memos.</p>
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		<title>By: Ed Bott</title>
		<link>http://www.edbott.com/weblog/?p=431&#038;cpage=1#comment-739</link>
		<dc:creator>Ed Bott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 17:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If there were any other evidence of any original reporting in this article, then the &quot;single anonymous source&quot; would be just fine. But there wasn&#039;t any such evidence. Just a single thin interview stretched to absurd conclusions.

And a good reporter would have noted in the original  story that Scoble declined to be interviewed for the article. Please note that I&#039;ve updated my remarks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If there were any other evidence of any original reporting in this article, then the &#8220;single anonymous source&#8221; would be just fine. But there wasn&#8217;t any such evidence. Just a single thin interview stretched to absurd conclusions.</p>
<p>And a good reporter would have noted in the original  story that Scoble declined to be interviewed for the article. Please note that I&#8217;ve updated my remarks.</p>
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		<title>By: Please</title>
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		<dc:creator>Please</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 17:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;But there wasn&#039;t any such evidence.&quot;

What about the email from Fester?

What about Chris Anderson&#039;s comments from his blog?

What about Scoble&#039;s blog?

What about Mary Jo Foley&#039;s comments?

What about the numerous quotes anmd not &quot;one off-hand comment&quot;?

What about the journalist stating that Apple and Microsoft declined comment?

It seems you&#039;ve stretched your own writing to absurd conclusions. It&#039;s seems your writing is all the more sloppy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;But there wasn&#8217;t any such evidence.&#8221;</p>
<p>What about the email from Fester?</p>
<p>What about Chris Anderson&#8217;s comments from his blog?</p>
<p>What about Scoble&#8217;s blog?</p>
<p>What about Mary Jo Foley&#8217;s comments?</p>
<p>What about the numerous quotes anmd not &#8220;one off-hand comment&#8221;?</p>
<p>What about the journalist stating that Apple and Microsoft declined comment?</p>
<p>It seems you&#8217;ve stretched your own writing to absurd conclusions. It&#8217;s seems your writing is all the more sloppy.</p>
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		<title>By: Ed Bott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ed Bott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 17:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Please,

If you honestly think that the Wired News story contained any serious reporting, you and I will just have to agree to disagree. Go through your list of sources:

Mary Jo Foley &quot;said she had no knowledge of the iPod&#039;s popularity on Microsoft&#039;s campus.&quot; Not exactly a supportive quote for the author&#039;s thesis, is it? In fact, it says practically nothing. Chris Anderson and Robert Scoble both blogged about their personal ownership of iPods, and neither one said a word about being persecuted for it. Again, not exactly support for the thesis that huge numbers of Softies own iPods and are coming under fire for it. Finally, go read Dave Fester&#039;s memo again. It doesn&#039;t exactly support the thesis that Microsoft&#039;s management is irked, frustrated, and annoyed. He&#039;s the guy in charge of the division; he wants his managers to make sure that people know about what he considers great products from his division. Do I need a decoder ring to read the secret hidden message that says anyone who buys an iPod will be sent to Siberia?

I&#039;m happy to hold myself to high standards in my commentary. But please note that I don&#039;t claim to be a &quot;news service.&quot;

Oh, and you&#039;re welcome to decline to use your real e-mail address, but giving yourself a fake email address that points to my domain is rude. I&#039;ve removed the address (but left your comments untouched).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Please,</p>
<p>If you honestly think that the Wired News story contained any serious reporting, you and I will just have to agree to disagree. Go through your list of sources:</p>
<p>Mary Jo Foley &#8220;said she had no knowledge of the iPod&#8217;s popularity on Microsoft&#8217;s campus.&#8221; Not exactly a supportive quote for the author&#8217;s thesis, is it? In fact, it says practically nothing. Chris Anderson and Robert Scoble both blogged about their personal ownership of iPods, and neither one said a word about being persecuted for it. Again, not exactly support for the thesis that huge numbers of Softies own iPods and are coming under fire for it. Finally, go read Dave Fester&#8217;s memo again. It doesn&#8217;t exactly support the thesis that Microsoft&#8217;s management is irked, frustrated, and annoyed. He&#8217;s the guy in charge of the division; he wants his managers to make sure that people know about what he considers great products from his division. Do I need a decoder ring to read the secret hidden message that says anyone who buys an iPod will be sent to Siberia?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m happy to hold myself to high standards in my commentary. But please note that I don&#8217;t claim to be a &#8220;news service.&#8221;</p>
<p>Oh, and you&#8217;re welcome to decline to use your real e-mail address, but giving yourself a fake email address that points to my domain is rude. I&#8217;ve removed the address (but left your comments untouched).</p>
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		<title>By: Please</title>
		<link>http://www.edbott.com/weblog/?p=431&#038;cpage=1#comment-742</link>
		<dc:creator>Please</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 17:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I disagree with you on two fundamental questions: the journalistic integrity of the piece and its thesis.

Firstly, journalistic integrity. It primarily has one source, but they are quoted numerous times, and you or any one has not provided any evidence to doubt its veracity. I don&#039;t even think you are, so there should be no qualms there. The author also cites a well-known Microsoft analyst. The authur also cites an internal email from a high ranking Microsoft executive. The author quotes two well-known Microsoft bloggers. The author explains they tried to contact Microsoft and Apple, and that they refused comment. Sounds like a perfectly well written article to me.

Secondly, the thesis: you really claim this article is suggesting iPod owners are persecuted? Did you read it? 

The article has a provocative headline but most stories do these days. Beyond that it paints a picture. Yes, he does provide Mary Jo&#039;s comments despite your absurd theory and the fact that this comment flies in the face of it. The story doesn&#039;t say anything about Chris or Scoble being persecuted, does it? The article says that the white earbuds can be seen around campus, doesn&#039;t it? The article says the manager being quoted flaunts his iPod, doesn&#039;t it? 

All the iPod says... more precisely, suggests... is that management doesn&#039;t like it. That they have encouraged the opposite. That some employees, particularly if it is sensitive to their work, feel they should keep a low profile.

It is you who is acting absurd by claiming such things as:

&quot;management is ready to send teams of security guards out to locate anyone wearing white earbuds and send them to a re-education camp.&quot;

&quot;Chris Anderson and Robert Scoble both blogged about their personal ownership of iPods, and ... [are] being persecuted for it.&quot;

&quot;Do I need a decoder ring to read the secret hidden message that says anyone who buys an iPod will be sent to Siberia?&quot;

Yes, I do need that decoder ring. I think it is clear that Fester is &quot;irked, frustrated, and annoyed.&quot;

I don&#039;t need a handwritten letter from Gates to know that they are &quot;irked, frustrated, and annoyed.&quot; That&#039;s freaking obvious. To suggest the contrary is absolutely absurd.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I disagree with you on two fundamental questions: the journalistic integrity of the piece and its thesis.</p>
<p>Firstly, journalistic integrity. It primarily has one source, but they are quoted numerous times, and you or any one has not provided any evidence to doubt its veracity. I don&#8217;t even think you are, so there should be no qualms there. The author also cites a well-known Microsoft analyst. The authur also cites an internal email from a high ranking Microsoft executive. The author quotes two well-known Microsoft bloggers. The author explains they tried to contact Microsoft and Apple, and that they refused comment. Sounds like a perfectly well written article to me.</p>
<p>Secondly, the thesis: you really claim this article is suggesting iPod owners are persecuted? Did you read it? </p>
<p>The article has a provocative headline but most stories do these days. Beyond that it paints a picture. Yes, he does provide Mary Jo&#8217;s comments despite your absurd theory and the fact that this comment flies in the face of it. The story doesn&#8217;t say anything about Chris or Scoble being persecuted, does it? The article says that the white earbuds can be seen around campus, doesn&#8217;t it? The article says the manager being quoted flaunts his iPod, doesn&#8217;t it? </p>
<p>All the iPod says&#8230; more precisely, suggests&#8230; is that management doesn&#8217;t like it. That they have encouraged the opposite. That some employees, particularly if it is sensitive to their work, feel they should keep a low profile.</p>
<p>It is you who is acting absurd by claiming such things as:</p>
<p>&#8220;management is ready to send teams of security guards out to locate anyone wearing white earbuds and send them to a re-education camp.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Chris Anderson and Robert Scoble both blogged about their personal ownership of iPods, and &#8230; [are] being persecuted for it.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Do I need a decoder ring to read the secret hidden message that says anyone who buys an iPod will be sent to Siberia?&#8221;</p>
<p>Yes, I do need that decoder ring. I think it is clear that Fester is &#8220;irked, frustrated, and annoyed.&#8221;</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t need a handwritten letter from Gates to know that they are &#8220;irked, frustrated, and annoyed.&#8221; That&#8217;s freaking obvious. To suggest the contrary is absolutely absurd.</p>
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		<title>By: Cliff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cliff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 17:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ed, you have a very narrow definition of &quot;reporting.&quot;  Wired sought comments from Microsoft and Apple about what this high level source said - that&#039;s reporting (i.e., trying to gather more information).  Microsoft just refused to comment - which is not Wired&#039;s problem.

Wired had a high level Microsoft source attest to a number of things - mainly about the consternation of Microsoft management about iPod use among Microsoft employees.

That&#039;s called news - Microsoft management concerned.  The fact they&#039;re concerned shows lots of iPods are being used by MS employees.

Yes, it&#039;s one source (a high level one).  But how many sources are you going to find like this?  Wired went to Microsoft and gave them an opportunity to deny this person existed or that Microsoft management was concerned about iPod use.  They refused comment.

This is legitimate news.  Like all news, it could be wrong.  But it&#039;s not bad or improper journalism.  There&#039;s nothing remotely improper or inadequate about it.  It&#039;s a single source.  The reporter tried to gather more facts straight from Microsoft.  He did his job.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ed, you have a very narrow definition of &#8220;reporting.&#8221;  Wired sought comments from Microsoft and Apple about what this high level source said &#8211; that&#8217;s reporting (i.e., trying to gather more information).  Microsoft just refused to comment &#8211; which is not Wired&#8217;s problem.</p>
<p>Wired had a high level Microsoft source attest to a number of things &#8211; mainly about the consternation of Microsoft management about iPod use among Microsoft employees.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s called news &#8211; Microsoft management concerned.  The fact they&#8217;re concerned shows lots of iPods are being used by MS employees.</p>
<p>Yes, it&#8217;s one source (a high level one).  But how many sources are you going to find like this?  Wired went to Microsoft and gave them an opportunity to deny this person existed or that Microsoft management was concerned about iPod use.  They refused comment.</p>
<p>This is legitimate news.  Like all news, it could be wrong.  But it&#8217;s not bad or improper journalism.  There&#8217;s nothing remotely improper or inadequate about it.  It&#8217;s a single source.  The reporter tried to gather more facts straight from Microsoft.  He did his job.</p>
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		<title>By: Ed Bott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ed Bott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 17:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK, please find the substantiation for these statements, all of which appear in the story:

&quot;16,000 iPod users among the 25,000 who work at or near Microsoft&#039;s campus.&quot; That&#039;s absurd.

&quot;So popular is the iPod, executives are increasingly sending out memos frowning on its use.&quot;

One e-mail (not a memo) quoted.

And which paragraph is correct?

&quot;[On] Microsoft&#039;s leafy corporate campus in Redmond, Washington ... Wherever you go, white headphones dangle from peoples&#039; ears.&quot;

Or:

&quot;Employees are hiding their iPods by swapping the telltale white headphones for a less conspicuous pair.&quot;

They can&#039;t both be true.

And if this reporter was walking around the Microsoft campus and saw all these folks wearing white earbuds, why didn&#039;t he stop and talk to them? Oh, wait. I know. Because he wasn&#039;t there! He made that part up! Heh.

Look, the iPod is a great product. It has 65-70% market share in the world. At Microsoft, according to this story, it has roughly the same percentage of use.

The PR departments at Apple and Microsoft refused to respond to this guy&#039;s story. That was predictable. Meanwhile, this story is still based on a bunch of really convenient quotes from one anonymous guy, who may or may not be a senior-level manager and for that matter may or may not exist. Sorry, but the closer you look, the more this is just a hack job.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, please find the substantiation for these statements, all of which appear in the story:</p>
<p>&#8220;16,000 iPod users among the 25,000 who work at or near Microsoft&#8217;s campus.&#8221; That&#8217;s absurd.</p>
<p>&#8220;So popular is the iPod, executives are increasingly sending out memos frowning on its use.&#8221;</p>
<p>One e-mail (not a memo) quoted.</p>
<p>And which paragraph is correct?</p>
<p>&#8220;[On] Microsoft&#8217;s leafy corporate campus in Redmond, Washington &#8230; Wherever you go, white headphones dangle from peoples&#8217; ears.&#8221;</p>
<p>Or:</p>
<p>&#8220;Employees are hiding their iPods by swapping the telltale white headphones for a less conspicuous pair.&#8221;</p>
<p>They can&#8217;t both be true.</p>
<p>And if this reporter was walking around the Microsoft campus and saw all these folks wearing white earbuds, why didn&#8217;t he stop and talk to them? Oh, wait. I know. Because he wasn&#8217;t there! He made that part up! Heh.</p>
<p>Look, the iPod is a great product. It has 65-70% market share in the world. At Microsoft, according to this story, it has roughly the same percentage of use.</p>
<p>The PR departments at Apple and Microsoft refused to respond to this guy&#8217;s story. That was predictable. Meanwhile, this story is still based on a bunch of really convenient quotes from one anonymous guy, who may or may not be a senior-level manager and for that matter may or may not exist. Sorry, but the closer you look, the more this is just a hack job.</p>
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		<title>By: Wayne Linder</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wayne Linder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 17:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;One thing they teach you in Journalism 101 is that when you have a single anonymous source, you don’t have a story.&#8221;</p>
<p>Are you too young to remember &#8220;Deep Throat?&#8221; (the Watergate source, not the movie). That was a single anonymous source and, well, it sure seemed like a story to me.</p>
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		<title>By: Ed Garcia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ed Garcia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 17:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Funny, both you and Thurrott link to each other&#039;s blogs and praise each other. FYI, Thurrott states that the Wired article is not true reporting but he is as far from a true reporter as you are. I&#039;d be insulted to be in the same category as Thurrott. You seem to love it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Funny, both you and Thurrott link to each other&#8217;s blogs and praise each other. FYI, Thurrott states that the Wired article is not true reporting but he is as far from a true reporter as you are. I&#8217;d be insulted to be in the same category as Thurrott. You seem to love it.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 17:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Both those statements can be true at once because they are referring to different size groups of people. The first refers to the whole campus overall, the second to those who work in an area that is a bit more sensitive to having iPods at MS.

Regarding the whole article, I didn&#039;t take it all that seriously. It read more like a fun article that started from a single fact/source.

For bad journalism, check out this site
www.divisiontwo.com/articles/Macmini2.html. He confuses the shuffle with the mini; he thinks 40GB hard drives, CD writers, and video cards with 32MB vram were available in circa 1995; he calls OS X a stripped-down Windows CE OS; he doesn&#039;t realize that weather programs on the Mac exist all over the place; and he rails against the mini for not having anti-virus, virus/malware removal software.
And he&#039;s certified as an MSCE.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Both those statements can be true at once because they are referring to different size groups of people. The first refers to the whole campus overall, the second to those who work in an area that is a bit more sensitive to having iPods at MS.</p>
<p>Regarding the whole article, I didn&#8217;t take it all that seriously. It read more like a fun article that started from a single fact/source.</p>
<p>For bad journalism, check out this site<br />
<a href="http://www.divisiontwo.com/articles/Macmini2.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.divisiontwo.com/articles/Macmini2.html</a>. He confuses the shuffle with the mini; he thinks 40GB hard drives, CD writers, and video cards with 32MB vram were available in circa 1995; he calls OS X a stripped-down Windows CE OS; he doesn&#8217;t realize that weather programs on the Mac exist all over the place; and he rails against the mini for not having anti-virus, virus/malware removal software.<br />
And he&#8217;s certified as an MSCE.</p>
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		<title>By: Ed Bott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ed Bott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 17:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was in Journalism school during the Watergate hearings, so yes, I remember Deep Throat. Go back and read All the President&#039;s Men. You&#039;ll find that Woodward and Bernstein did a lot of digging to corroborate what DT told them. Most of their stories *started* with a lead from DT and weren&#039;t simply written based on that source&#039;s quotes.

Standards today are, sadly, different. Mentioning this reporter in the same breath with Woodward and Bernstein is unfair to them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was in Journalism school during the Watergate hearings, so yes, I remember Deep Throat. Go back and read All the President&#8217;s Men. You&#8217;ll find that Woodward and Bernstein did a lot of digging to corroborate what DT told them. Most of their stories *started* with a lead from DT and weren&#8217;t simply written based on that source&#8217;s quotes.</p>
<p>Standards today are, sadly, different. Mentioning this reporter in the same breath with Woodward and Bernstein is unfair to them.</p>
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		<title>By: Jen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 17:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From the inside, I see no evidence that the story is true.  Microsoft *encourages* us to use products that support the WMA format, but I have never seen or heard of any *discouragement* regarging use of an iPod.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From the inside, I see no evidence that the story is true.  Microsoft *encourages* us to use products that support the WMA format, but I have never seen or heard of any *discouragement* regarging use of an iPod.</p>
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		<title>By: Please</title>
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		<dc:creator>Please</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 17:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bott, before responding to your new comments, I&#039;d like to go back to our earlier posts. Primarily, you claim the thesis of this article is: people who use iPods on Microsoft campus are being persecuted. Are you backing off this claim? I see nothing like it in your latest quote. If you do back away from this, your concerns are rather minor. Let&#039;s take a look...

&quot;&quot;16,000 iPod users among the 25,000 who work at or near Microsoft&#039;s campus.&quot; That&#039;s absurd.&quot;

Firstly, he is solely basing his math on the statements made by his source. Secondly, is it so absurd? I work for a small (150 people) non-technical company, and I would estimate 50% of the staff have mp3 players. Is it absurd to suggest that 80% of the most technically-oriented company in the world has mp3 palyers? Maybe... But even you seem to agree that 80% of those that do probably have iPods. Thirdly, you, Scoble, and Thurott are commenting on this, seem virtually hysterical. All of you say, &quot;No way, no way.&quot; But you don&#039;t provide any evidence whatsoever either.

&quot;&quot;So popular is the iPod, executives are increasingly sending out memos frowning on its use.&quot;

One e-mail (not a memo) quoted.&quot;

And? Does the fact that only one email was quoted mean that none others have? No. Do people use the word &quot;mem&quot; generally to refer to internal office correspondance? Yes.

&quot;&quot;[On] Microsoft&#039;s leafy corporate campus in Redmond, Washington ... Wherever you go, white headphones dangle from peoples&#039; ears.&quot;

Or:

&quot;Employees are hiding their iPods by swapping the telltale white headphones for a less conspicuous pair.&quot;

They can&#039;t both be true.&quot;

Sure, they can both be true. He didn&#039;t say every iPod owner is swapping headhones. He said employees are generally feeling a need to go stealth, adn this takes on many forms. If two people swapped their headphones, both statements would be true, and it would still be true that iPods are prevalent at Microsoft but some are feeling the need to downplay that decision.

&quot;And if this reporter was walking around the Microsoft campus and saw all these folks wearing white earbuds, why didn&#039;t he stop and talk to them? Oh, wait. I know. Because he wasn&#039;t there! He made that part up! Heh.&quot;

How do you know? You don&#039;t. Heh. And what part of this story requires that he did or is lying about doing so? If one person said: &quot;You see lots of people walking around with iPods&quot;, he&#039;s not allowed to write that without verifying it for himself, even if it is plainly true?

&quot;Look, the iPod is a great product. It has 65-70% market share in the world. At Microsoft, according to this story, it has roughly the same percentage of use.&quot;

Yes, the story says that as well. But it&#039;s 80%.

&quot;Meanwhile, this story is still based on a bunch of really convenient quotes from one anonymous guy, who may or may not be a senior-level manager and for that matter may or may not exist.&quot;

No, again, it is based on the one anonymous manager, Scoble&#039;s blog, Chris&#039;s blog, Mary Jo&#039;s comments... Secondly, do you really doubt he exists? Is that your current assertion? That all the quotes, this guys position, are made up? You have zero evidence of that.

&quot; Sorry, but the closer you look, the more this is just a hack job.&quot;

The closer I look, you seem a pathetic and jealous man. Your posts are less credible and less verified. You make more absurd and wild comments (&quot;persecution, Siberia, etc...&quot;), and all you are doing is confirming the basic facts presented in this story.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bott, before responding to your new comments, I&#8217;d like to go back to our earlier posts. Primarily, you claim the thesis of this article is: people who use iPods on Microsoft campus are being persecuted. Are you backing off this claim? I see nothing like it in your latest quote. If you do back away from this, your concerns are rather minor. Let&#8217;s take a look&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8221;16,000 iPod users among the 25,000 who work at or near Microsoft&#8217;s campus.&#8221; That&#8217;s absurd.&#8221;</p>
<p>Firstly, he is solely basing his math on the statements made by his source. Secondly, is it so absurd? I work for a small (150 people) non-technical company, and I would estimate 50% of the staff have mp3 players. Is it absurd to suggest that 80% of the most technically-oriented company in the world has mp3 palyers? Maybe&#8230; But even you seem to agree that 80% of those that do probably have iPods. Thirdly, you, Scoble, and Thurott are commenting on this, seem virtually hysterical. All of you say, &#8220;No way, no way.&#8221; But you don&#8217;t provide any evidence whatsoever either.</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8221;So popular is the iPod, executives are increasingly sending out memos frowning on its use.&#8221;</p>
<p>One e-mail (not a memo) quoted.&#8221;</p>
<p>And? Does the fact that only one email was quoted mean that none others have? No. Do people use the word &#8220;mem&#8221; generally to refer to internal office correspondance? Yes.</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8221;[On] Microsoft&#8217;s leafy corporate campus in Redmond, Washington &#8230; Wherever you go, white headphones dangle from peoples&#8217; ears.&#8221;</p>
<p>Or:</p>
<p>&#8220;Employees are hiding their iPods by swapping the telltale white headphones for a less conspicuous pair.&#8221;</p>
<p>They can&#8217;t both be true.&#8221;</p>
<p>Sure, they can both be true. He didn&#8217;t say every iPod owner is swapping headhones. He said employees are generally feeling a need to go stealth, adn this takes on many forms. If two people swapped their headphones, both statements would be true, and it would still be true that iPods are prevalent at Microsoft but some are feeling the need to downplay that decision.</p>
<p>&#8220;And if this reporter was walking around the Microsoft campus and saw all these folks wearing white earbuds, why didn&#8217;t he stop and talk to them? Oh, wait. I know. Because he wasn&#8217;t there! He made that part up! Heh.&#8221;</p>
<p>How do you know? You don&#8217;t. Heh. And what part of this story requires that he did or is lying about doing so? If one person said: &#8220;You see lots of people walking around with iPods&#8221;, he&#8217;s not allowed to write that without verifying it for himself, even if it is plainly true?</p>
<p>&#8220;Look, the iPod is a great product. It has 65-70% market share in the world. At Microsoft, according to this story, it has roughly the same percentage of use.&#8221;</p>
<p>Yes, the story says that as well. But it&#8217;s 80%.</p>
<p>&#8220;Meanwhile, this story is still based on a bunch of really convenient quotes from one anonymous guy, who may or may not be a senior-level manager and for that matter may or may not exist.&#8221;</p>
<p>No, again, it is based on the one anonymous manager, Scoble&#8217;s blog, Chris&#8217;s blog, Mary Jo&#8217;s comments&#8230; Secondly, do you really doubt he exists? Is that your current assertion? That all the quotes, this guys position, are made up? You have zero evidence of that.</p>
<p>&#8221; Sorry, but the closer you look, the more this is just a hack job.&#8221;</p>
<p>The closer I look, you seem a pathetic and jealous man. Your posts are less credible and less verified. You make more absurd and wild comments (&#8221;persecution, Siberia, etc&#8230;&#8221;), and all you are doing is confirming the basic facts presented in this story.</p>
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		<description>You don&#039;t need a PHD in Journalism to know, just because the Sun News Weekly says there are UFOs, don&#039;t mean they are out there.

The press knew Scoble&#039;s reaction to their request BEFORE they made it.  This has been on his website since inception:

&quot;Q: Why aren&#039;t you talking to the press?

A: For a variety of reasons, biggest of all is that it&#039;s in my employment contract that I not talk to the press without prior PR approval.&quot;

So they know Scoble could not clairify.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You don&#8217;t need a PHD in Journalism to know, just because the Sun News Weekly says there are UFOs, don&#8217;t mean they are out there.</p>
<p>The press knew Scoble&#8217;s reaction to their request BEFORE they made it.  This has been on his website since inception:</p>
<p>&#8220;Q: Why aren&#8217;t you talking to the press?</p>
<p>A: For a variety of reasons, biggest of all is that it&#8217;s in my employment contract that I not talk to the press without prior PR approval.&#8221;</p>
<p>So they know Scoble could not clairify.</p>
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