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	<title>Comments on: Here&#8217;s why CableCARD isn&#8217;t mainstream yet</title>
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		<title>By: John W</title>
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		<dc:creator>John W</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 19:50:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In my T-W, they send an installer out. There is one guy who travels with a lap top that has the cable card access program on it and he sat at my computer, read the numbers and input them directly into the head end from my living room. Then he could send the hits and we could watch what he did and when it came in. After 20 minutes he had both tuners registered and working.
The real answer to this will be in a revision to the procedure to setup the tuners--maybe a chat link you could send the numbers on, etc. You can send automated hits on T-W with the phone menu so you can re-authorize if necessary without a service call or other intervention.
Besides the security constrains, T-W heere at least wants to make sure the system works when they leave. My VMC was the first cable card install that they did in this district although there are a number of tivos and CC tvs.
The next hurdle is SDV which MS says they&#039;re working on as well as relaxed DRM for cable card recordings.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In my T-W, they send an installer out. There is one guy who travels with a lap top that has the cable card access program on it and he sat at my computer, read the numbers and input them directly into the head end from my living room. Then he could send the hits and we could watch what he did and when it came in. After 20 minutes he had both tuners registered and working.</p>
<p>The real answer to this will be in a revision to the procedure to setup the tuners&#8211;maybe a chat link you could send the numbers on, etc. You can send automated hits on T-W with the phone menu so you can re-authorize if necessary without a service call or other intervention.</p>
<p>Besides the security constrains, T-W heere at least wants to make sure the system works when they leave. My VMC was the first cable card install that they did in this district although there are a number of tivos and CC tvs. </p>
<p>The next hurdle is SDV which MS says they&#8217;re working on as well as relaxed DRM for cable card recordings.</p>
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		<title>By: Ed Bott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ed Bott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2008 17:45:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Johnny, I have two tuners that I ordered with my original Dell system way back when. You can buy a second tuner on eBay or through Sony, which sells them as a standalone product. I&#039;ll post the link when I run across it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Johnny, I have two tuners that I ordered with my original Dell system way back when. You can buy a second tuner on eBay or through Sony, which sells them as a standalone product. I&#8217;ll post the link when I run across it.</p>
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		<title>By: Johnny C</title>
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		<dc:creator>Johnny C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2008 17:43:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Ed,
Very timely article for me, I&#039;m considering delving into a cablecard equipped system and this was a great read.  I do have a question, HP only sell single tuners, in your article it said you were going to be installing a second.  Where did you get the additional tuner if HP won&#039;t sell you an extra?  Dell does sell dual tuners, but I specd out a system on their site and it is roughly $500 more than the deals HP is currently running, which is quite a bit more for one extra tuner.  Keep up the great work!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Ed,</p>
<p>Very timely article for me, I&#8217;m considering delving into a cablecard equipped system and this was a great read.  I do have a question, HP only sell single tuners, in your article it said you were going to be installing a second.  Where did you get the additional tuner if HP won&#8217;t sell you an extra?  Dell does sell dual tuners, but I specd out a system on their site and it is roughly $500 more than the deals HP is currently running, which is quite a bit more for one extra tuner.  Keep up the great work!</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Sep 2008 22:15:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good research and reporting, Ed. You should be granted honorary membership in the &quot;Not Ready for Primetime Players&quot; for your efforts.
My big video acquisition this year was a $12 (with federal coupon) digital converter box for a 13&quot; analog TV in my kitchen! I wish they made those boxes in white to match my TV and the rest of the appliances.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good research and reporting, Ed. You should be granted honorary membership in the &#8220;Not Ready for Primetime Players&#8221; for your efforts.</p>
<p>My big video acquisition this year was a $12 (with federal coupon) digital converter box for a 13&#8243; analog TV in my kitchen! I wish they made those boxes in white to match my TV and the rest of the appliances.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe D</title>
		<link>http://www.edbott.com/weblog/2008/09/heres-why-cablecard-isnt-mainstream-yet/comment-page-1/#comment-175356</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Sep 2008 21:53:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t even want to try CableCard because of all the DRM nonsense... Too bad I can&#039;t watch HD, but hey what can you do? It&#039;s as if it wasn&#039;t even available for me... I&#039;m living like it is 1999 :)
Guess I&#039;ll use all that time I spare to read and make programs...
The day HD gets rid of DRM, I&#039;m buying! :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t even want to try CableCard because of all the DRM nonsense&#8230; Too bad I can&#8217;t watch HD, but hey what can you do? It&#8217;s as if it wasn&#8217;t even available for me&#8230; I&#8217;m living like it is 1999 <img src='http://www.edbott.com/weblog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Guess I&#8217;ll use all that time I spare to read and make programs&#8230;<br />
The day HD gets rid of DRM, I&#8217;m buying! <img src='http://www.edbott.com/weblog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: andy vt</title>
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		<dc:creator>andy vt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Sep 2008 20:43:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think there&#039;s more to it than painful setup.  For many enthusiasts CableCards restrictive DRM kills it as an option.  Personally, I find the HDPVR to a much better option to record HD cable (of course it doesn&#039;t work with Media Center).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think there&#8217;s more to it than painful setup.  For many enthusiasts CableCards restrictive DRM kills it as an option.  Personally, I find the HDPVR to a much better option to record HD cable (of course it doesn&#8217;t work with Media Center).</p>
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		<title>By: Ben Drawbaugh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben Drawbaugh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Sep 2008 18:48:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are plenty of companies that make almost exactly that, the problem is they cost like $5k.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are plenty of companies that make almost exactly that, the problem is they cost like $5k.</p>
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		<title>By: opuntia</title>
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		<dc:creator>opuntia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Sep 2008 18:25:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MCE is hands down better than Tivo, but not for the hassles and price in comparison to a $300 Tivo, or a $5/month DVR.
That&#039;s why I think that somebody needs to develop a closed system MCE HD machine...only then will MCE really take off for mass use.   And I&#039;m not talking about those $1,500 on up Niveus or Lifeware machines.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MCE is hands down better than Tivo, but not for the hassles and price in comparison to a $300 Tivo, or a $5/month DVR.  </p>
<p>That&#8217;s why I think that somebody needs to develop a closed system MCE HD machine&#8230;only then will MCE really take off for mass use.   And I&#8217;m not talking about those $1,500 on up Niveus or Lifeware machines.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Morley</title>
		<link>http://www.edbott.com/weblog/2008/09/heres-why-cablecard-isnt-mainstream-yet/comment-page-1/#comment-175350</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Morley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Sep 2008 17:56:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ed-
I&#039;m completely empathize with the issues you face.  They are exactly what I tackle every day at my new media center company.  I witnessed too many times these nightmare scenerios when I was at Velocity Micro, and I knew there had to be a better way.
Well, a year later and I have 100% satisfaction with my CableCARD media servers.  That&#039;s because they are locked down and built from the ground up to do nothing but run Media Center as it was supposed to.  It wasn&#039;t about the hardware, it was about the OS load and more importantly, the ecosystem it was installed in.  My company is owned by an A/V integrator, so we come across issues in the field before our dealers do.  Right now HDMI has been our biggest headache, and I guess you can say that&#039;s a victory for us if CableCARD is a distant second.
Since we&#039;re &quot;slamming trunks&quot; like our dealer network, we know how to properly train them in their own environment how to install and service these machines.
So far it&#039;s worked out very well.  We sell a line of very expensive media servers to people spending six figures on their home theaters.  They may have never even seen Vista before, much less know what Media Center IS.  But when shown what it can do, they are willing to write large checks.
So then it&#039;s up to our dealers to make sure everything is 100% by the time they leave the job site.  Because, like every other component in the rack, the customer just wants to sit down with his remote and enjoy his toys at the end of the day, not deal with the headaches that we&#039;re all so familiar with.
It can be done, and I would suggest that we have done it.
Best,
Chris Morley</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ed-</p>
<p>I&#8217;m completely empathize with the issues you face.  They are exactly what I tackle every day at my new media center company.  I witnessed too many times these nightmare scenerios when I was at Velocity Micro, and I knew there had to be a better way.</p>
<p>Well, a year later and I have 100% satisfaction with my CableCARD media servers.  That&#8217;s because they are locked down and built from the ground up to do nothing but run Media Center as it was supposed to.  It wasn&#8217;t about the hardware, it was about the OS load and more importantly, the ecosystem it was installed in.  My company is owned by an A/V integrator, so we come across issues in the field before our dealers do.  Right now HDMI has been our biggest headache, and I guess you can say that&#8217;s a victory for us if CableCARD is a distant second.  </p>
<p>Since we&#8217;re &#8220;slamming trunks&#8221; like our dealer network, we know how to properly train them in their own environment how to install and service these machines.  </p>
<p>So far it&#8217;s worked out very well.  We sell a line of very expensive media servers to people spending six figures on their home theaters.  They may have never even seen Vista before, much less know what Media Center IS.  But when shown what it can do, they are willing to write large checks. </p>
<p>So then it&#8217;s up to our dealers to make sure everything is 100% by the time they leave the job site.  Because, like every other component in the rack, the customer just wants to sit down with his remote and enjoy his toys at the end of the day, not deal with the headaches that we&#8217;re all so familiar with.</p>
<p>It can be done, and I would suggest that we have done it.</p>
<p>Best,</p>
<p>Chris Morley</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Sep 2008 17:52:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am, sadly, still waiting for some kind of SDV solution, as all of the new HD channels from my provider (Time-Warner) are being rolled out that way, or so it seems.  Has anyone heard anything from Microsoft/ATI about a solution for that?  I had hoped the integration ban would stop this kind of nonsense, but I was clearly wrong.  Doesn&#039;t SDV violate the spirit of the ban?  I remember seeing something about some kind of Motorola box that you could plug into TiVo (for example) to enable two-way communication...what ever happened to that?  Let&#039;s not even get started on tru2way...you are right when you say this stuff just isn&#039;t ready for the typical consumer.  I have too many friends who don&#039;t even know which (physical) cable to buy and have to call me from the store or get behind their TVs to see what connectors they have.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am, sadly, still waiting for some kind of SDV solution, as all of the new HD channels from my provider (Time-Warner) are being rolled out that way, or so it seems.  Has anyone heard anything from Microsoft/ATI about a solution for that?  I had hoped the integration ban would stop this kind of nonsense, but I was clearly wrong.  Doesn&#8217;t SDV violate the spirit of the ban?  I remember seeing something about some kind of Motorola box that you could plug into TiVo (for example) to enable two-way communication&#8230;what ever happened to that?  Let&#8217;s not even get started on tru2way&#8230;you are right when you say this stuff just isn&#8217;t ready for the typical consumer.  I have too many friends who don&#8217;t even know which (physical) cable to buy and have to call me from the store or get behind their TVs to see what connectors they have.</p>
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		<title>By: Ed Bott</title>
		<link>http://www.edbott.com/weblog/2008/09/heres-why-cablecard-isnt-mainstream-yet/comment-page-1/#comment-175348</link>
		<dc:creator>Ed Bott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Sep 2008 17:50:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Charlie, I think $999 is the magic number. And yeah, I would have to be completely nuts to do this. But what else is new?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Charlie, I think $999 is the magic number. And yeah, I would have to be completely nuts to do this. But what else is new?</p>
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		<title>By: Charlie Owen</title>
		<link>http://www.edbott.com/weblog/2008/09/heres-why-cablecard-isnt-mainstream-yet/comment-page-1/#comment-175347</link>
		<dc:creator>Charlie Owen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Sep 2008 16:36:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Man, I think you&#039;re just nuts to want to get into the hardware business. ;) But just for funsies at what price point do you think you will be offering these systems?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Man, I think you&#8217;re just nuts to want to get into the hardware business. <img src='http://www.edbott.com/weblog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' />  But just for funsies at what price point do you think you will be offering these systems?</p>
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		<title>By: Brent</title>
		<link>http://www.edbott.com/weblog/2008/09/heres-why-cablecard-isnt-mainstream-yet/comment-page-1/#comment-175346</link>
		<dc:creator>Brent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Sep 2008 15:53:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I recently started playing with Windows Media Center on Vista and it&#039;s very impressive.  I&#039;m still waiting for DIRECTV to have satellite cards though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I recently started playing with Windows Media Center on Vista and it&#8217;s very impressive.  I&#8217;m still waiting for DIRECTV to have satellite cards though.</p>
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		<title>By: Ed Bott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ed Bott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Sep 2008 15:52:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dave, I covered this last week. The cost of the TiVo system is high, and for me the music functionality via the TiVo box is simply unacceptable. Music is a big reason why I have this system, and with a music collection the size of ours, TiVo isn&#039;t an option. If I wanted to have a separate box for music and another for TV I would just get the cable company DVR.
http://www.edbott.com/weblog/?p=2127
And if I didn&#039;t insist on CableCARD tuners this system would be ridiculously easy to set up and maintain.
But to each his own, and if price were not an issue and TV were the only factor, then  for the average consumer I would rank TiVo HD above Media Center, for sure, simply because it&#039;s an appliance and not a complex system. But it sure is expensive!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave, I covered this last week. The cost of the TiVo system is high, and for me the music functionality via the TiVo box is simply unacceptable. Music is a big reason why I have this system, and with a music collection the size of ours, TiVo isn&#8217;t an option. If I wanted to have a separate box for music and another for TV I would just get the cable company DVR.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.edbott.com/weblog/?p=2127" rel="nofollow">http://www.edbott.com/weblog/?p=2127</a></p>
<p>And if I didn&#8217;t insist on CableCARD tuners this system would be ridiculously easy to set up and maintain.</p>
<p>But to each his own, and if price were not an issue and TV were the only factor, then  for the average consumer I would rank TiVo HD above Media Center, for sure, simply because it&#8217;s an appliance and not a complex system. But it sure is expensive!</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Sep 2008 15:45:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Except for the Windows part there is already a box just like the one you want: TiVo. If the box is turnkey it doesn&#039;t really matter what OS is on it. You&#039;re buying the functionality, not the OS. With the price of a TiVo box at $250, I think any OEM would be hard-pressed to pay a license fee to Microsoft and stay competitive with that.
We just got two TiVos with dual cablecards on Verizon FIOS in August. After suffering for a year using the Verizon DVR we couldn&#039;t take it anymore. The service guy came and set up the cards; Verizon doesn&#039;t let customers set up cable boxes or cards themselves. He only walked in with four cards, two for each box, and didn&#039;t need to do any trial-and-error swapping. It was all working before he walked out the door and took about 45 minutes.
Whatever problems exist seem like they may be on Comcast&#039;s side, which wouldn&#039;t surprise me. We switched from Comcast using a non-HD TiVo to Verizon a little over a year ago. Comcast&#039;s service guys were smart and friendly but their cable boxes and software were horrible. Really, the Verizon DVR wasn&#039;t much better. There&#039;s too much lowest-bidder action going on there, and no understanding of UI design at all.
We are glad to be back with the TiVos; since we left they&#039;ve added a bunch of great stuff like Swivel Search and transfer between boxes. I thought about going with Media Center or MythTV, but the last thing I wanted was another couple of computers to maintain.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Except for the Windows part there is already a box just like the one you want: TiVo. If the box is turnkey it doesn&#8217;t really matter what OS is on it. You&#8217;re buying the functionality, not the OS. With the price of a TiVo box at $250, I think any OEM would be hard-pressed to pay a license fee to Microsoft and stay competitive with that.</p>
<p>We just got two TiVos with dual cablecards on Verizon FIOS in August. After suffering for a year using the Verizon DVR we couldn&#8217;t take it anymore. The service guy came and set up the cards; Verizon doesn&#8217;t let customers set up cable boxes or cards themselves. He only walked in with four cards, two for each box, and didn&#8217;t need to do any trial-and-error swapping. It was all working before he walked out the door and took about 45 minutes.</p>
<p>Whatever problems exist seem like they may be on Comcast&#8217;s side, which wouldn&#8217;t surprise me. We switched from Comcast using a non-HD TiVo to Verizon a little over a year ago. Comcast&#8217;s service guys were smart and friendly but their cable boxes and software were horrible. Really, the Verizon DVR wasn&#8217;t much better. There&#8217;s too much lowest-bidder action going on there, and no understanding of UI design at all.</p>
<p>We are glad to be back with the TiVos; since we left they&#8217;ve added a bunch of great stuff like Swivel Search and transfer between boxes. I thought about going with Media Center or MythTV, but the last thing I wanted was another couple of computers to maintain.</p>
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