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		<title>By: Ed Bott</title>
		<link>http://www.edbott.com/weblog/2007/06/an-unintentional-lesson-in-blogger-ethics/comment-page-1/#comment-155836</link>
		<dc:creator>Ed Bott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jul 2007 20:24:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ed,
Good to hear from you.
1. Spelling a person&#039;s name right is not a nitpick. It&#039;s the most important part of the story. They teach you that in Journalism 1. Before you hit Send, you make sure you have the names right. When your whole story is about John Battelle and his media empire and you can&#039;t spell his name right, you lose major credibility in my eyes.
2. Good for not having too many ads. Bad for having ads IN YOUR ARTICLES. That&#039;s my point. And if you can&#039;t appreciate the irony of having a Microsoft ad IN AN ARTICLE about a blogger being criticized for having Microsoft ads, well, you need to calibrate your irony detector.
Good for you for correcting the typos, finally. As for the substance, I&#039;ve written enough about this topic already. If you used the search box you would have seen that I&#039;ve addressed this issue in two lengthy posts. I don&#039;t feel the need to rehash it. For your reference, here are the links:
http://www.edbott.com/weblog/?p=1712
http://www.edbott.com/weblog/?p=1713</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ed,</p>
<p>Good to hear from you.</p>
<p>1. Spelling a person&#8217;s name right is not a nitpick. It&#8217;s the most important part of the story. They teach you that in Journalism 1. Before you hit Send, you make sure you have the names right. When your whole story is about John Battelle and his media empire and you can&#8217;t spell his name right, you lose major credibility in my eyes.</p>
<p>2. Good for not having too many ads. Bad for having ads IN YOUR ARTICLES. That&#8217;s my point. And if you can&#8217;t appreciate the irony of having a Microsoft ad IN AN ARTICLE about a blogger being criticized for having Microsoft ads, well, you need to calibrate your irony detector.</p>
<p>Good for you for correcting the typos, finally. As for the substance, I&#8217;ve written enough about this topic already. If you used the search box you would have seen that I&#8217;ve addressed this issue in two lengthy posts. I don&#8217;t feel the need to rehash it. For your reference, here are the links:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.edbott.com/weblog/?p=1712" rel="nofollow">http://www.edbott.com/weblog/?p=1712</a><br />
<a href="http://www.edbott.com/weblog/?p=1713" rel="nofollow">http://www.edbott.com/weblog/?p=1713</a></p>
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		<title>By: Ed Oswald</title>
		<link>http://www.edbott.com/weblog/2007/06/an-unintentional-lesson-in-blogger-ethics/comment-page-1/#comment-155835</link>
		<dc:creator>Ed Oswald</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jul 2007 19:34:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just stumbled upon your missive here Ed.
A couple points. The misspelling of Battelle&#039;s last name was an honest mistake, even slipped by our copy editors. I think that was more of a nitpick then an honest to god problem with the article.
To your comment that I was making lofty pronouncements of journalism and ethics, I find it interesting that you decided to not respond to the actual topic (which in its face is true) and instead went for something completely unrelated to what the article was about.
There was no typo in FM, Battelle&#039;s, or Arrington&#039;s support of the Microsoft project. So what&#039;s your point Ed? The point was that bloggers want to consistently be considered press, however when their feet are held to the fire, they shy away. (Not all mind you, but like Arrington, theres a vocal few that do).
You don&#039;t have an issue with this? Isn&#039;t this what a lot of people hate the traditional media for? That they don&#039;t know whether or not their copy is being bought by the highest bidder.
As to our ads, we have NOWHERE NEAR the amount of ads that other news agencies do. It just so happened that Vibrant&#039;s code picked up the word Microsoft and highlighted it.
So, if you&#039;d like to debate the points of the article, rather than nitpicking, that&#039;s great and I look forward to a healthy discussion (the original point of the article anyway!) But you haven&#039;t yet, thus my response here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just stumbled upon your missive here Ed.</p>
<p>A couple points. The misspelling of Battelle&#8217;s last name was an honest mistake, even slipped by our copy editors. I think that was more of a nitpick then an honest to god problem with the article.</p>
<p>To your comment that I was making lofty pronouncements of journalism and ethics, I find it interesting that you decided to not respond to the actual topic (which in its face is true) and instead went for something completely unrelated to what the article was about.</p>
<p>There was no typo in FM, Battelle&#8217;s, or Arrington&#8217;s support of the Microsoft project. So what&#8217;s your point Ed? The point was that bloggers want to consistently be considered press, however when their feet are held to the fire, they shy away. (Not all mind you, but like Arrington, theres a vocal few that do).</p>
<p>You don&#8217;t have an issue with this? Isn&#8217;t this what a lot of people hate the traditional media for? That they don&#8217;t know whether or not their copy is being bought by the highest bidder.</p>
<p>As to our ads, we have NOWHERE NEAR the amount of ads that other news agencies do. It just so happened that Vibrant&#8217;s code picked up the word Microsoft and highlighted it.</p>
<p>So, if you&#8217;d like to debate the points of the article, rather than nitpicking, that&#8217;s great and I look forward to a healthy discussion (the original point of the article anyway!) But you haven&#8217;t yet, thus my response here.</p>
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		<title>By: Serdar</title>
		<link>http://www.edbott.com/weblog/2007/06/an-unintentional-lesson-in-blogger-ethics/comment-page-1/#comment-155728</link>
		<dc:creator>Serdar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 18:03:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I stuck with Amazon ads for my own site, if only because the offerings they provide seem a little less bizarre than some of the stuff that came up with Google&#039;s ads.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I stuck with Amazon ads for my own site, if only because the offerings they provide seem a little less bizarre than some of the stuff that came up with Google&#8217;s ads.</p>
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		<title>By: Ed Bott</title>
		<link>http://www.edbott.com/weblog/2007/06/an-unintentional-lesson-in-blogger-ethics/comment-page-1/#comment-155718</link>
		<dc:creator>Ed Bott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jun 2007 14:22:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Robert,
In the online and offline worlds, ads are (almost) always related to content. Advertisers buy ads because the content in the place where they purchase ads is relevant to the product or service they&#039;re selling, or the content attracts the kind of people who are interested in that product.
The big BIG difference between Vibrant and Google ads is that the Google ads do not embed themselves in  my content with the specific purpose of looking like a hyperlink. They sit in a special ad zone that I designate, and the only way they fire is if a reader actively chooses to click on them.
By contrast, I accidentally clicked on a Vibrant ad at BetaNews yesterday, trying to get it to go away so I could see what was underneath it. Maybe that&#039;s why they pay more.
I won&#039;t pass judgment on your decision to use these ads, because that is not my place. All I&#039;ll say is that I will never use them here, and I avoid visiting sites that do use them. I&#039;m grateful you have full-text RSS feeds.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Robert,</p>
<p>In the online and offline worlds, ads are (almost) always related to content. Advertisers buy ads because the content in the place where they purchase ads is relevant to the product or service they&#8217;re selling, or the content attracts the kind of people who are interested in that product.</p>
<p>The big BIG difference between Vibrant and Google ads is that the Google ads do not embed themselves in  my content with the specific purpose of looking like a hyperlink. They sit in a special ad zone that I designate, and the only way they fire is if a reader actively chooses to click on them.</p>
<p>By contrast, I accidentally clicked on a Vibrant ad at BetaNews yesterday, trying to get it to go away so I could see what was underneath it. Maybe that&#8217;s why they pay more.</p>
<p>I won&#8217;t pass judgment on your decision to use these ads, because that is not my place. All I&#8217;ll say is that I will never use them here, and I avoid visiting sites that do use them. I&#8217;m grateful you have full-text RSS feeds.</p>
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		<title>By: Corrine</title>
		<link>http://www.edbott.com/weblog/2007/06/an-unintentional-lesson-in-blogger-ethics/comment-page-1/#comment-155717</link>
		<dc:creator>Corrine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jun 2007 12:58:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;how are Vibrant ads any different than Google ads.&quot;
@Robert McLaws --
I really enjoy reading your blog but I read your posts in the RSS Feed rather than at your site to avoid the tool-tips.  Google ads don&#039;t result in a pop-up as I scroll down the page and my mouse inadvertently touches across a tool-tip.
Please see what I wrote above regarding VibrantMedia.  I trust and respect Microsoft MVPs Mike Burgess and Eric Howes and know they would not include VibrantMedia in the respective hosts files without justification.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;how are Vibrant ads any different than Google ads.&#8221;</p>
<p>@Robert McLaws &#8212; </p>
<p>I really enjoy reading your blog but I read your posts in the RSS Feed rather than at your site to avoid the tool-tips.  Google ads don&#8217;t result in a pop-up as I scroll down the page and my mouse inadvertently touches across a tool-tip.</p>
<p>Please see what I wrote above regarding VibrantMedia.  I trust and respect Microsoft MVPs Mike Burgess and Eric Howes and know they would not include VibrantMedia in the respective hosts files without justification.</p>
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		<title>By: Zaine Ridling</title>
		<link>http://www.edbott.com/weblog/2007/06/an-unintentional-lesson-in-blogger-ethics/comment-page-1/#comment-155716</link>
		<dc:creator>Zaine Ridling</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jun 2007 07:41:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Robert, the difference is that I can visually — and habitually — ignore the Google ads because they neither blink nor create any other distraction. BetaNews has become so ad-laden that it&#039;s fast approaching PCMagazine heights. Even with Java and JavaScript turned off, a few static ads still get through.
That content and ads should never mix, I completely agree. As a reader I&#039;m much more likely to notice and even click-thru your ads as long you don&#039;t annoy me. And I try to do with with good blogs. Although Ed is writing more than ever between this blog and his work at ZDNet, if you skim the archives of this &#039;Windows Expertise&#039; blog it was built on the one thing that brings me back every day: content.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Robert, the difference is that I can visually — and habitually — ignore the Google ads because they neither blink nor create any other distraction. BetaNews has become so ad-laden that it&#8217;s fast approaching PCMagazine heights. Even with Java and JavaScript turned off, a few static ads still get through.</p>
<p>That content and ads should never mix, I completely agree. As a reader I&#8217;m much more likely to notice and even click-thru your ads as long you don&#8217;t annoy me. And I try to do with with good blogs. Although Ed is writing more than ever between this blog and his work at ZDNet, if you skim the archives of this &#8216;Windows Expertise&#8217; blog it was built on the one thing that brings me back every day: content.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert McLaws</title>
		<link>http://www.edbott.com/weblog/2007/06/an-unintentional-lesson-in-blogger-ethics/comment-page-1/#comment-155715</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert McLaws</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jun 2007 01:29:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s a question Ed, how are Vibrant ads any different than Google ads. Both use a blogger&#039;s content to serve up relevant ads. The only differene is that Google ads are next to the content, and Vibrant ads show you *exactly* what term triggered the ad.
For that reason, I like Vibrant ads a lot better. Plus, they pay far better than Google ads do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s a question Ed, how are Vibrant ads any different than Google ads. Both use a blogger&#8217;s content to serve up relevant ads. The only differene is that Google ads are next to the content, and Vibrant ads show you *exactly* what term triggered the ad.</p>
<p>For that reason, I like Vibrant ads a lot better. Plus, they pay far better than Google ads do.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Thompson</title>
		<link>http://www.edbott.com/weblog/2007/06/an-unintentional-lesson-in-blogger-ethics/comment-page-1/#comment-155712</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Thompson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jun 2007 00:04:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(...well, I find other content when *possible*. I&#039;m guilty of LINKING to a Blade Runner anniversary story that&#039;s full of the junky little ads. But hey... it&#039;s BLADE Runner. And it&#039;s 25 years. Gimme break.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(&#8230;well, I find other content when *possible*. I&#8217;m guilty of LINKING to a Blade Runner anniversary story that&#8217;s full of the junky little ads. But hey&#8230; it&#8217;s BLADE Runner. And it&#8217;s 25 years. Gimme break.)</p>
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		<title>By: Corrine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Corrine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jun 2007 00:01:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Boy did you hit a nerve with me!  I also despise &quot;tool-tips&quot;, &quot;Vibrant Ads&quot;, or whatever name is pinned to them.  IMO, if the person/site is that hard up for money, they should consider a different line of business.
As you can see below, both MVPS Hosts file and IE-SPYAD block the vibrant URL so people with either hosts file software do not see the tool-tips provided by VibrantMedia&#039;s IntelliTXT service.
Obviously, those sites are blocked for a reason.  I know of one situation of a brief study conducted at just one site using that service where, within minutes, a fellow MVP discovered a tool-tip linking to a site serving up WinFixer.  So, think of the person running their mouse over a page with those tool-tips and accidentally clicking that link.  :(
See:  http://www.mvps.org/winhelp2002/hosts.txt
127.0.0.1  vibrantmedia.com #[IE-SpyAd]
127.0.0.1  itxt.vibrantmedia.com
127.0.0.1  usads.vibrantmedia.com
127.0.0.1  usnews.vibrantmedia.com
127.0.0.1  www.vibrantmedia.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Boy did you hit a nerve with me!  I also despise &#8220;tool-tips&#8221;, &#8220;Vibrant Ads&#8221;, or whatever name is pinned to them.  IMO, if the person/site is that hard up for money, they should consider a different line of business.  </p>
<p>As you can see below, both MVPS Hosts file and IE-SPYAD block the vibrant URL so people with either hosts file software do not see the tool-tips provided by VibrantMedia&#8217;s IntelliTXT service.  </p>
<p>Obviously, those sites are blocked for a reason.  I know of one situation of a brief study conducted at just one site using that service where, within minutes, a fellow MVP discovered a tool-tip linking to a site serving up WinFixer.  So, think of the person running their mouse over a page with those tool-tips and accidentally clicking that link.  <img src='http://www.edbott.com/weblog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' />  </p>
<p>See:  <a href="http://www.mvps.org/winhelp2002/hosts.txt" rel="nofollow">http://www.mvps.org/winhelp2002/hosts.txt</a></p>
<p>127.0.0.1  vibrantmedia.com #[IE-SpyAd]<br />
127.0.0.1  itxt.vibrantmedia.com<br />
127.0.0.1  usads.vibrantmedia.com<br />
127.0.0.1  usnews.vibrantmedia.com<br />
127.0.0.1  <a href="http://www.vibrantmedia.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.vibrantmedia.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Jim Thompson</title>
		<link>http://www.edbott.com/weblog/2007/06/an-unintentional-lesson-in-blogger-ethics/comment-page-1/#comment-155710</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Thompson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jun 2007 00:01:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I see that little green underline, I close the tab and go looking for another source for the info.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I see that little green underline, I close the tab and go looking for another source for the info.</p>
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