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		<title>By: Lawrence Salberg</title>
		<link>http://www.edbott.com/weblog/2006/10/journalism-101-how-to-link/comment-page-1/#comment-154607</link>
		<dc:creator>Lawrence Salberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Feb 2007 00:53:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oops! My bad. Sorry, Ed. I didn&#039;t see that. Now I&#039;ve been dragged into the cat fight. Thanks for catching my error.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oops! My bad. Sorry, Ed. I didn&#8217;t see that. Now I&#8217;ve been dragged into the cat fight. Thanks for catching my error.</p>
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		<title>By: Ed Bott</title>
		<link>http://www.edbott.com/weblog/2006/10/journalism-101-how-to-link/comment-page-1/#comment-153532</link>
		<dc:creator>Ed Bott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Oct 2006 20:12:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lawrence:
&gt;&gt; I guess you learned him, Ed, by not linking to his site.
Um, I did link to his site. It&#039;s the very first link in this column. And I did the same in the column I wrote at ZDNet.
If you&#039;re going to pick at me, at least pick at me for something I actually did.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lawrence:</p>
<p>>> I guess you learned him, Ed, by not linking to his site. </p>
<p>Um, I did link to his site. It&#8217;s the very first link in this column. And I did the same in the column I wrote at ZDNet.</p>
<p>If you&#8217;re going to pick at me, at least pick at me for something I actually did.</p>
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		<title>By: Lawrence Salberg</title>
		<link>http://www.edbott.com/weblog/2006/10/journalism-101-how-to-link/comment-page-1/#comment-153530</link>
		<dc:creator>Lawrence Salberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Oct 2006 18:37:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m trying to think if posts like this are why I hate blogs or why I love them. All the internal candor that you can&#039;t normally find at superficial corporate environments, and yet, sadly, all the internal candor that you can&#039;t normally find at superficial corporate environments.
A little civility, guys? I guess you learned him, Ed, by not linking to his site. I don&#039;t know who either of you are kidding here. You both have ad-supported sites that benefit, under the Google oligarchy, with additional inbound links. I typed in Paul Thurrott in Google (without quotes) and he came up as the first link. I hardly think, that if I was so inclined to idle away three hours of my life to read all this childish bickering, that I&#039;d be miffed about having to Google someone for about 11 seconds - especially when I can do it right within my Firefox browser.
So, maybe you guys could kiss and makeup and the world of pro commentators (or as you call them - journalists) could carry on the burden of reporting on Windows. With an army of Mac and Linux fiends hot on your trail, it hardly seems you have the luxury of fireside bickering. Just my two cents worth on the overall value us faithful readers glean from stuff like this. And I&#039;ll make the disclaimer here that I&#039;m no puppet of Thurrott&#039;s, and even link to you, Ed, on my blog, not Thurrott. But mostly because I just love the font you use on this site. I still can&#039;t wrap my head around it. It&#039;s beautiful. It truly is. I may just copy you one day soon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m trying to think if posts like this are why I hate blogs or why I love them. All the internal candor that you can&#8217;t normally find at superficial corporate environments, and yet, sadly, all the internal candor that you can&#8217;t normally find at superficial corporate environments.</p>
<p>A little civility, guys? I guess you learned him, Ed, by not linking to his site. I don&#8217;t know who either of you are kidding here. You both have ad-supported sites that benefit, under the Google oligarchy, with additional inbound links. I typed in Paul Thurrott in Google (without quotes) and he came up as the first link. I hardly think, that if I was so inclined to idle away three hours of my life to read all this childish bickering, that I&#8217;d be miffed about having to Google someone for about 11 seconds &#8211; especially when I can do it right within my Firefox browser.</p>
<p>So, maybe you guys could kiss and makeup and the world of pro commentators (or as you call them &#8211; journalists) could carry on the burden of reporting on Windows. With an army of Mac and Linux fiends hot on your trail, it hardly seems you have the luxury of fireside bickering. Just my two cents worth on the overall value us faithful readers glean from stuff like this. And I&#8217;ll make the disclaimer here that I&#8217;m no puppet of Thurrott&#8217;s, and even link to you, Ed, on my blog, not Thurrott. But mostly because I just love the font you use on this site. I still can&#8217;t wrap my head around it. It&#8217;s beautiful. It truly is. I may just copy you one day soon.</p>
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		<title>By: Rather bored</title>
		<link>http://www.edbott.com/weblog/2006/10/journalism-101-how-to-link/comment-page-1/#comment-153451</link>
		<dc:creator>Rather bored</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Oct 2006 03:23:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So you touch on a more interesting point here- about his general style of writing - or rather, where he gets the info on what he writes. It&#039;s always amazing how he just &#039;happens&#039; to have the latest tid-bits on Vista, other products, etc. It&#039;s often funny that his &#039;reviews&#039; manage to bounce out at key dates. It&#039;s strange how whenever Microsoft want to get a point across, you can rest assured that Mr T will have the story. It&#039;s weird how he can sleep easy at night when it&#039;s clear that his employer, Penton (who publish Win IT Pro) have such amazingly tight links to Microsoft that any suggestions of serious impartiality are questionable.
Mr T has had his day. The deferential treatment he once received from the &#039;community&#039; has long since expired. Bloggers don&#039;t buy the Microsoft PR line quite as easily as he writes about it. You&#039;re right about one thing - he calls up Microsoft Managers / Wagner PR - and the story is as good as written.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So you touch on a more interesting point here- about his general style of writing &#8211; or rather, where he gets the info on what he writes. It&#8217;s always amazing how he just &#8216;happens&#8217; to have the latest tid-bits on Vista, other products, etc. It&#8217;s often funny that his &#8216;reviews&#8217; manage to bounce out at key dates. It&#8217;s strange how whenever Microsoft want to get a point across, you can rest assured that Mr T will have the story. It&#8217;s weird how he can sleep easy at night when it&#8217;s clear that his employer, Penton (who publish Win IT Pro) have such amazingly tight links to Microsoft that any suggestions of serious impartiality are questionable.</p>
<p>Mr T has had his day. The deferential treatment he once received from the &#8216;community&#8217; has long since expired. Bloggers don&#8217;t buy the Microsoft PR line quite as easily as he writes about it. You&#8217;re right about one thing &#8211; he calls up Microsoft Managers / Wagner PR &#8211; and the story is as good as written.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert McLaws</title>
		<link>http://www.edbott.com/weblog/2006/10/journalism-101-how-to-link/comment-page-1/#comment-153446</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert McLaws</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Oct 2006 23:00:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, almost every big media company links to their sources. C&#124;Net sure doesn&#039;t. http://www.windows-now.com/blogs/robert/archive/2006/10/18/News.com-Needs-To-Start-Citing-Sources.aspx</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, almost every big media company links to their sources. C|Net sure doesn&#8217;t. <a href="http://www.windows-now.com/blogs/robert/archive/2006/10/18/News.com-Needs-To-Start-Citing-Sources.aspx" rel="nofollow">http://www.windows-now.com/blogs/robert/archive/2006/10/18/News.com-Needs-To-Start-Citing-Sources.aspx</a></p>
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		<title>By: Ed Bott</title>
		<link>http://www.edbott.com/weblog/2006/10/journalism-101-how-to-link/comment-page-1/#comment-153445</link>
		<dc:creator>Ed Bott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Oct 2006 18:31:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rick,
I said I wasn&#039;t going to use any expletives, so I won&#039;t. But the claim that text-based newsletters are incompatible with links is ... bogus.
Somehow Brian Livingston and Fred Langa and Scot Finnie and other professionals who do their work primarily through newsletters manage to deliver text-based versions that include links. If one wants to be credible, there&#039;s a way. If one wants to live and work in a personal echo chamber, there&#039;s a different way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rick,</p>
<p>I said I wasn&#8217;t going to use any expletives, so I won&#8217;t. But the claim that text-based newsletters are incompatible with links is &#8230; bogus.</p>
<p>Somehow Brian Livingston and Fred Langa and Scot Finnie and other professionals who do their work primarily through newsletters manage to deliver text-based versions that include links. If one wants to be credible, there&#8217;s a way. If one wants to live and work in a personal echo chamber, there&#8217;s a different way.</p>
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		<title>By: Rick</title>
		<link>http://www.edbott.com/weblog/2006/10/journalism-101-how-to-link/comment-page-1/#comment-153444</link>
		<dc:creator>Rick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Oct 2006 18:20:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t forget that almost all of his writings come in the form of text-based email newsletters, where linking isn&#039;t exactly wieldy.
His only true blog is his Internet Nexus, where appropriate to the format he links liberally.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t forget that almost all of his writings come in the form of text-based email newsletters, where linking isn&#8217;t exactly wieldy.</p>
<p>His only true blog is his Internet Nexus, where appropriate to the format he links liberally.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Kingery</title>
		<link>http://www.edbott.com/weblog/2006/10/journalism-101-how-to-link/comment-page-1/#comment-153443</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott Kingery</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Oct 2006 17:56:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe Paul had been reading Steve Gillmor for too long? Steve thinks links are dead. Or course, he says that about Office and Notes too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe Paul had been reading Steve Gillmor for too long? Steve thinks links are dead. Or course, he says that about Office and Notes too.</p>
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		<title>By: Adrian W Kingsley-Hughes</title>
		<link>http://www.edbott.com/weblog/2006/10/journalism-101-how-to-link/comment-page-1/#comment-153442</link>
		<dc:creator>Adrian W Kingsley-Hughes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Oct 2006 17:47:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Windows Me for three months?  The loser would get nothing done for 3 months!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Windows Me for three months?  The loser would get nothing done for 3 months!</p>
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		<title>By: Adrian W Kingsley-Hughes</title>
		<link>http://www.edbott.com/weblog/2006/10/journalism-101-how-to-link/comment-page-1/#comment-153441</link>
		<dc:creator>Adrian W Kingsley-Hughes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Oct 2006 17:43:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just had a quick look at my PC Doc stats for the last week ... about 80% of visitors leave the site via a link to another site.  Imagine if they all left the site via a Google ad :-)
Maybe when I&#039;m as big as Thurrott I can do away with links in posts ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just had a quick look at my PC Doc stats for the last week &#8230; about 80% of visitors leave the site via a link to another site.  Imagine if they all left the site via a Google ad <img src='http://www.edbott.com/weblog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Maybe when I&#8217;m as big as Thurrott I can do away with links in posts <img src='http://www.edbott.com/weblog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Adrian W Kingsley-Hughes</title>
		<link>http://www.edbott.com/weblog/2006/10/journalism-101-how-to-link/comment-page-1/#comment-153440</link>
		<dc:creator>Adrian W Kingsley-Hughes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Oct 2006 17:35:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s very common ... just a quick look at the &quot;old media&quot; that&#039;s on the web, and I&#039;m seeing very few links.  Here in the UK sites like the BBC, Times, etc are very stingy with links and most will only add them as an aside and rarely put them in the body of the text.  I see the same thing going on with US media.  This is because they aren&#039;t used to the &quot;new way&quot; of doing business.
You and I link because it&#039;s in out nature to do so and we want to give a broad, fair picture of things, but I know of a lot of website and blog networks that do very little in the way of linking to other sites ... and the reason there is almost exclusively an ad revenue issue (they want the visitors to click on an ad, not a link to another site).  I know that a couple of the big blog networks have a limits on the number of links that are allowed.
In this case, I think that the reason is that Thurrott doesn&#039;t link to you (or anyone else) is that his audience doesn&#039;t demand it.  If you have the following, you can do what you want.
Or maybe he knows how the ZDNet business model works and doesn&#039;t want to send visitors your way...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s very common &#8230; just a quick look at the &#8220;old media&#8221; that&#8217;s on the web, and I&#8217;m seeing very few links.  Here in the UK sites like the BBC, Times, etc are very stingy with links and most will only add them as an aside and rarely put them in the body of the text.  I see the same thing going on with US media.  This is because they aren&#8217;t used to the &#8220;new way&#8221; of doing business.</p>
<p>You and I link because it&#8217;s in out nature to do so and we want to give a broad, fair picture of things, but I know of a lot of website and blog networks that do very little in the way of linking to other sites &#8230; and the reason there is almost exclusively an ad revenue issue (they want the visitors to click on an ad, not a link to another site).  I know that a couple of the big blog networks have a limits on the number of links that are allowed.</p>
<p>In this case, I think that the reason is that Thurrott doesn&#8217;t link to you (or anyone else) is that his audience doesn&#8217;t demand it.  If you have the following, you can do what you want.</p>
<p>Or maybe he knows how the ZDNet business model works and doesn&#8217;t want to send visitors your way&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Ed Bott</title>
		<link>http://www.edbott.com/weblog/2006/10/journalism-101-how-to-link/comment-page-1/#comment-153439</link>
		<dc:creator>Ed Bott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Oct 2006 17:21:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Windows Me for three months? Cruel and unusual punishment!</description>
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		<title>By: Carl</title>
		<link>http://www.edbott.com/weblog/2006/10/journalism-101-how-to-link/comment-page-1/#comment-153438</link>
		<dc:creator>Carl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Oct 2006 17:13:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m thinking a geek boxing match is in order here.  We can get Dvorak to referee and Leo Laporte to call the fight.  We can even record the whole thing on video.  Loser has to use Windows ME as a workstation for three months.   What say you, sir?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m thinking a geek boxing match is in order here.  We can get Dvorak to referee and Leo Laporte to call the fight.  We can even record the whole thing on video.  Loser has to use Windows ME as a workstation for three months.   What say you, sir?</p>
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		<title>By: alan herrell - the head lemur</title>
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		<dc:creator>alan herrell - the head lemur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Oct 2006 17:13:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr. T is still stuck in the Not Invented Here newspaper syndrome.
Yep he is a stenographer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. T is still stuck in the Not Invented Here newspaper syndrome.</p>
<p>Yep he is a stenographer.</p>
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		<title>By: Ed Bott</title>
		<link>http://www.edbott.com/weblog/2006/10/journalism-101-how-to-link/comment-page-1/#comment-153436</link>
		<dc:creator>Ed Bott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Oct 2006 17:02:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Adrian, that might have been true in 1997. It certainly isn&#039;t true today. Even the stodgiest old-line media properties now provide hyperlinks to stuff they&#039;re writing about. That&#039;s what makes this stuff so odd. It&#039;s not like the rest of the web. It&#039;s almost like he doesn&#039;t want to be associated with us common folk.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Adrian, that might have been true in 1997. It certainly isn&#8217;t true today. Even the stodgiest old-line media properties now provide hyperlinks to stuff they&#8217;re writing about. That&#8217;s what makes this stuff so odd. It&#8217;s not like the rest of the web. It&#8217;s almost like he doesn&#8217;t want to be associated with us common folk.</p>
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